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of the 1.2 billion catholics around the world. here now is news vatican analyst george wiegel. and spokeswoman kathy ruse, now with the family research council. good to see you. i'm not kidding. i think this is the most profound act of humility and something that everybody in the world can learn from. your take? >> i think that's right, larry. this is a man of faith. he's a real disciple of jesus christ. he wants to serve. and when he can no longer serve in the way he's been called to serve as bishop of rome, he's prepared to serve by retiring to a private life of prayer and reflection. that's a great act of service to the church, and it's a great expression of the character of joseph ratzinger. >> kathy, let me go to you on this. what was your first reaction when you heard about this today? were you surprised? there's a lot of rumors around new york, by the way, that cardinal egan had been working on this for awhile and it had been kept silent but not entirely. were you shocked at this? what was your first reaction? >> absolutely shocked. thought it was a farce. had to look i
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